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My Old French is out of practice, which makes me sad, because the printed translation of the thirteenth-century satirical poem I am currently reading has been expurgated. Therefore, while I am finding some of the anus jokes in the Song of the Peace with England, I may be missing many more of them!

According to the editor/translator, Thomas Wright, the poem "seems to have been written on the occasion of the intermediation of Louis IX. of France, between the contending parties [i.e. the royalist party supporting King Henry III and the reform party more or less led by Simon de Montfort] in England, in the beginning of the year 1264. Much of its point consists in a rather gross play on words which cannot always be translated." Yes, actually, they can.

Where the Earl of Winchester proclaims to King Henry that he can defeat the King of France in single combat if je porrai mon lance desus cul poier, Wright's translation "I can strike him with my lance behind" is short on nuance. Cul is 'anus', and the line reads, "I can stick my lance in his ass."

Simon de Montfort disagrees, however. A dit à rai Inglais, "Par le cors saint Anel!" / Lessiez or cesti chos: —François n'est mi anel." Wright translates, "Says he [Simon de Montfort] to the English king, 'By the body of the holy Lamb!—now let this thing alone; the Frenchman is not a lamb.'" But the second use of the word anel means 'anus', not 'lamb', and Wright's skipped a personal pronoun. Simon's saying, "The Frenchman is not my asshole." Simon, paraphrased: "It's probably not a good idea to, er, lance Louis IX while you're screwing me."

But I love Thomas Wright anyway for introducing me to this poem and to the next poem in the anthology. The Song against the King of Almaigne, from the great trilingual manuscript Harley 2253, accuses King Henry's brother, Richard of Cornwall, the elected King of Germany, of treachery and misusing his income. Richard of Alemaigne, whil that he wes kyng, / He spend al is tresour opon swyvyng. (Wright translates, "Richard of Almaigne, while he was king,—he spent all his treasure upon luxury." 'Luxury' is not, in fact, an accurate gloss of swiving.) There's also an amazing bit where the poem mocks Richard for hiding in a windmill after he loses the Battle of Lewes:

The Kyng of Alemaigne wende do ful wel,
He saisede the mulne for a castel,
With hare sharpe swerdes he grounde the stel,
He wende that the sayles were mangonel...


(My translation: "The King of Germany planned to do very well. He seized the mill for a castle. With his* sharp swords he ground the steel. He thought that the sails were mangonels."

*Or "their"; hare should be plural, but early Middle English pronouns are unreliable, and I can't find a plural antecedent.

(For these poems and more medieval satirical verse, see Thomas Wright, Political Songs of England: From the Reign of John to That of Edward II. Peter Coss, ed. Original publication, Camden Society: 1839. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1996.

Date: 2010-05-28 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cursor-mundi.livejournal.com
I LOVE YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THIS!

LOL, poor Simon. He wants commitment! Long walks on the beach! Exclusivity! He clearly bottoms from the top, is what I'm saying.

Date: 2010-05-28 12:28 am (UTC)
ext_14294: A redhead an a couple of cats. (beowulf)
From: [identity profile] ashkitty.livejournal.com
He clearly bottoms from the top, is what I'm saying.

Or tops from the bottom? I think all the Montforts did... *g*

Date: 2010-05-28 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cursor-mundi.livejournal.com
Simon's flexible! LOL.

Date: 2010-05-28 12:31 am (UTC)
ext_27060: Sumer is icomen in; llude sing cucu! (Thomas Becket is srs bsns)
From: [identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com
*grins back* That's exactly right.

Date: 2010-05-28 12:30 am (UTC)
ext_27060: Sumer is icomen in; llude sing cucu! (Default)
From: [identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com
Commitment, exclusivity, long walks on the beach and several thousand pounds a year, that's all Simon wants from the king. Oh, yeah, and "reform." That is, "My dear Henry, when you award enormous grants to your half-brothers the Lusignans, it's corruption and malfeasance. Everything would be all right again if you just gave those grants to me instead."

Date: 2010-05-28 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cursor-mundi.livejournal.com
Simple man, simple needs! It's that romantic soul that made Walter Bower include Robin Hood amongst Simon's followers--that, and a liking for prancing men in tight hosen.

Date: 2010-05-28 12:27 am (UTC)
ext_14294: A redhead an a couple of cats. (Default)
From: [identity profile] ashkitty.livejournal.com
Ahahahahahahahaha. Awesome.

Date: 2010-05-28 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erstwhiletexan.livejournal.com
omg Wright's "Political Poems and Songs" is one of my favorite books ever. XD

This is BRILLIANT.

Date: 2010-05-28 12:35 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-05-28 12:50 am (UTC)
skygiants: Drosselmeyer's old pages from Princess Tutu, with text 'rocks fall, everyone dies, the end' (endings are heartless)
From: [personal profile] skygiants
This brings much joy to my bus ride. *_*

Date: 2010-05-28 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muchabstracted.livejournal.com
Can I buy your books?

Date: 2010-05-28 02:19 am (UTC)
ext_27060: Sumer is icomen in; llude sing cucu! (Default)
From: [identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com
This one's in the public domain... oh, you mean books I've written? Once I write them, maybe.

Date: 2010-05-28 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muchabstracted.livejournal.com
I'm just saying, as long as I can figure out what all the lingo means, I can't imagine not enjoying it.

Date: 2010-05-28 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] just-ruth.livejournal.com
That's great. Political satire, Medieval style .

Date: 2010-05-28 01:12 am (UTC)
zdenka: Miriam with a tambourine, text "I will sing." (Music)
From: [personal profile] zdenka
Oh, it's the "Richard though thou be ever trichard" poem! I know that one!

Simon de Montfort can do no wrong in my eyes. I will admit that my fangirly admiration for him is perhaps based slightly more on historical novels than it should be.

Date: 2010-05-28 01:17 am (UTC)
ext_27060: Sumer is icomen in; llude sing cucu! (Default)
From: [identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com
I'm fascinated by him, but I'm not a fan. Simon de Montfort also started his rule in Leicester off right by expelling all the Jews in town. His aunt, the Countess of Winchester, had to take them in. It was the first expulsion of Jews within England.

Date: 2010-05-28 01:38 am (UTC)
zdenka: Miriam with a tambourine, text "I will sing." (this is too stupid)
From: [personal profile] zdenka
:-(

Okay, I take it back. He can do wrong. I'd forgotten that, if I knew it. *sigh* I'm a history fangirl, not a historian, and I should probably keep quiet when I don't know what I'm talking about. But-- but-- it's all so shiny!

Date: 2010-05-28 01:47 am (UTC)
ext_27060: Sumer is icomen in; llude sing cucu! (Cheer up emo Hoccleve)
From: [identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com
Oh, I admit that it's shiny! I'm even more deeply entertained by the image of Simon de Montfort, white knight of Justice, Truth and Freedom, since I happen to know that he's an anti-Jewish anel who committed atrocities while governing Gascony, who had an insatiable need for funds (most of which he extorted from Henry III), who mostly camped out with the reform movement because he was pissed off with Henry for not paying him off promptly. The cognitive dissonance between the stories about Simon and the historical record is really interesting to me.

But I apologize for puncturing your fangirly admiration! I don't want to be the harsher of squee.

Date: 2010-05-28 02:29 am (UTC)
zdenka: The Doors of Khazad-dum. (don't bother me i'm brooding)
From: [personal profile] zdenka
:-(

Date: 2010-05-28 01:24 am (UTC)
ext_42328: Language is my playground (General Medieval)
From: [identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com
... and now my OF vocabulary includes words for arse and arsehole. MY DAY IT IS GREATLY IMPROVED

Date: 2010-05-28 01:42 am (UTC)
ext_27060: Sumer is icomen in; llude sing cucu! (Default)
From: [identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com
Glad to be of service. :) The Anglo-Norman Dictionary* glosses both cul and anel as anus. I don't know if there are any further nuances that distinguish the two words in usage; I just selected English glosses that seemed to fit the context.

*The existence of a searchable Anglo-Norman Dictionary online fills me with joy.

Date: 2010-05-28 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tainry.livejournal.com
Holy mother of pearl now I understand cul-de-sac in a new light! O.O

Date: 2010-05-28 03:50 pm (UTC)
ext_27060: Sumer is icomen in; llude sing cucu! (Default)
From: [identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com
HA. Yes.

(Also, "holy mother of pearl" is a fantastic oath. I may borrow it.)

Date: 2010-05-28 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachel2205.livejournal.com
This is awesome! And ah, C19th editors, always cleaning things up. "Luxury" indeed.

Date: 2010-05-29 12:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistleingrey.livejournal.com
For better or worse, when I am very very sleepy sometimes, Simon de Montfort seems to me like a particular flavor of fanon!Lucius Malfoy. This post does not dispel that impression.

;)

Date: 2010-05-29 01:30 am (UTC)
ext_27060: Sumer is icomen in; llude sing cucu! (Default)
From: [identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com
!!!!! I will never be able to erase that image from my mind now. Because it is full of TRUTH.

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